Seeking 1969 Cal-34 Headsail Recommendation

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pbnelson
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TLDR; for daysails in 8 knot winds should I replace my old 160 Genoa with a new 110, or with something slightly bigger? And does anyone know what was the original boatyard-spec headsail for the 1969 Cal-34?


Hi,

I have a 1969 Cal-34 (i.e. original version). This season I replaced the mainsail, and for next season I'm looking to replace the headsail with something more appropriate for current use. Hopefully some of the old hands here can steer me straight.

In short, I currently have a 160 Genoa, probably 20+ years old. I am thinking it would be nice to replace it with a 110. But I'd like a second opinion on that size.

The 160 was installed, two owner's ago, for use in light winds on Lake Superior. But I'm currently day-sailing her on Lake Pepin (Minnesota) for a few hours at a time. When winds are light I don't bother heading out to "bake and bob". The winds here are shifty as heck, the lake is only a couple miles wide; some days we're tacking every 10 minutes. To add insult to injury when winds are light and we use the full genoa, it doesn't point very well upwind, and flogs all over the place downwind; I really kind of hate it. My guess is the sail worked better when new, and is just too "blown out" these days.

Anyway, to get precise, I won't bother going out when wind speed is under 6 knots or over 12 knots (steady, not gusts). I consider 8 knots to be the sweet spot.

Like most, we have a rolling-furler. We've found that reefing/furling-in the genoa until it's foot (bottom) length is only 16', instead of the full 24', gives just as much speed, in almost all airs, with a lot less bother; better balance, less weather helm, easier tacking, less heeling, etc. This has led me to conclude that what I really want is a 110.

But I've only been a sailor for a grand total of four seasons, so all advice is welcome.

My question for the old hands around here is this: should I go for something a bit bigger, a 115, 120, or 135, just for the flexibility, or would that be pointless? I don't want to cripple myself by getting something so small it only works properly in 12 knot winds. Nor do I want to cripple myself by getting something so big I'm reefing in anything over 6 knots. For that matter, was the original spec for a 90 or 100, a regular jib?

I'd like to know if anyone can tell me what was "standard issue" headsail size from the factory? I feel like the previous owner went too far outside the bounds of normality with the 160. I'd like to get something Mr. Lapworth would approve of. The picture on sailboatdata.com is too low res, but I found a higher res version online...

p.s. Here she is when we were taking measurements on Saturday at the Marina in Lake City, MN. Note the new davits, sure love those!
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p.p.s. here is a high-res scan from the owners manual PDF found online, much better than the one at sailboatdata.com. I don't know how to read it.
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Mary Mac
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Hi, I have a 1978 34-III, so it has a higher aspect rig. I had a new sail made that is a 130 back in 2021. At the time, I was planning to bring the boat down to Southern California where the winds are lighter. I have decided to keep the boat in the San Francisco Bay, so the sail needs to be furled when the winds pick up. When the wind is around 8-10 knots or so, this sail is great points well, and sails in lighter winds also. If I was to do it again, I’d go smaller. I also like to be conservative with how much sail I have out in the SF Bay because of the gusty conditions. Very different conditions than you have, though. I usually have a downwind sail back to the marina, and I appreciate the big sail then. UK Sails did a great job.
I attached screenshots of the sail info.
I would recommend getting in touch with Eric Heim with Quantum Sails. He owns a Cal 34 and also just crewed on the winning Cal 40 in this year’s TransPac, so he could answer all of your questions and spec your sail.. he is very knowledgeable and a nice guy.

Link to Eric’s info:

https://www.quantumsails.com/en/resour ... eric-heim


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Mary
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Muleka 1978 Cal 34-III #111 Marina Village, Alameda, California
Nepenthe 1976 Kelly Peterson 44 #116 Redondo Beach, California
Scrimshaw
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Hi back

I cannot really speak about the original Cal 34, which as it has a shorter mast and a longer boom then my boat.

I have a Cal 34, Mark 3 built in the mid-70's, with a 130% with a furling headstay. It works well up to 12 knots in flat seas which is the usual sailing condition in Marina del Rey, California (where I am located).

When the wind increases a little more, I generally put a reef in the main and maintain a full headsail. The best advise is to check with a sailmaker who is familiar with the boat and the area where you sail.

Your boat looks great. I also have a green line and canvas.

warren s fox
scrimshaw, cal 34, III
Marina del Rey, Ca
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allen
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I sail in SF Bay like Mary. I sail in a bit wider wind range basically 3 to 30. Tuesday we went out and it was 3 knots for the first half of our day and 20 knots for the second. When I first got Papoose a wise old timer gave me advice about sails. He said I need two sails. The biggest sail I can get and the smallest and I might have to change from one to the other around the bend. I finally started following that advice after 30 years. I have an almost 90 and a very light 155 that is free flying so it is easy to take hoist and take down. In your case, the 110 sounds perfect. Just don't get it too heavy a sail cloth. Your high wind backup is to drop the sail and go back to the slip. Be sure to tell that to the sailmaker. The 110 is big enough to give you some drive in your 6 knot target. I use my sub 90 in 10 knots for comparison. My boat has slightly larger sails but yours is a fair amount lighter.
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Loving the replies here. What a great site!
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